Jem, Tessa, Will questions

teresasmaze said: I have a question that’s been bugging me, and I don’t know if somebody asked you this before or not. But I have to ask anyway sorry. OKAY so did Tessa ever try to change into Will after he died? I feel like it would have been something that occurred to her, and even though she probably didn’t it would have been tempting don’t you think? I think it’s an interesting idea. Love your books, by the way! They’re filling about 75% of my second shelf on my bookshelf right now.

I think it would actually have been incredibly sad for Tessa to do that. It might almost have been like a drug, having that sort of almost-contact with Will and then not having it. Also Tessa was very firm about not “Changing” into people without their permission or some necessity, as she considered it invasive and disrespectful of their privacy — I don’t think she’d do it to Will, even after his passing. (But on the other hand I don’t want to kill anyone’s headcanons, though…so….)

congratu-freakin-lations said: Why doesnt Jem want to be a shadowhunter anymore? Is he at least still involved in the shadowhunter world?

Epilogue of Clockwork Princess:

“But—after today? Where will you go? To Idris?” Tessa asked.

Jem looked, for a moment, honestly bewildered—and despite how old she knew him to be, so young. “I don’t know,” he said. “I’ve never had a lifetime to plan for before.”

“Then … to another Institute?” Don’t go, Tessa wanted to say. Stay. Please.

“I do not think I will go to Idris, or to an Institute anywhere,” he said, after a pause so long that she felt as if her knees might give way under her if he did not speak. “I don’t know how to live in the world as a Shadowhunter without Will. I don’t think I even want to. I am still a parabatai, but my other half is gone. If I were to go to some Institute and ask them to take me in, I would never forget that. I would never feel whole.”

“Then what—?”

“That depends on you.”

City of Heavenly Fire: 

“… Zachariah? He is no longer an active Shadowhunter,” Jia was saying. “He left today before the meeting, saying he had some loose ends to tie up, and then an urgent appointment in London in early January,* something he couldn’t miss.” 

So no, he’s not an active Shadowhunter any more, but that’s nothing we didn’t know. :) Whether he decides to take an active interest in Shadowhunter goings-on is his business — he is interested in Emma. He and Tessa have something of their own agenda too.

*Yes, this is the epilogue of CP2. That’s where it fits into the narrative of CoHF - not long after the end of the last chapter before the epilogue.

xo-fairytalespirate-xo said: Hi Cassie. I just finished reading Clockwork Princess and absolutely loved the whole series. The epilogue in CP made me cry, especially when talking about Will’s last day and Jem playing his violin for him. But I was wondering why Magnus didn’t come to say goodbye?? Was it because he was waiting for Tessa to come to him?? I loved reading the development of their friendship. Sherrie

Magnus really hates being there when a mortal he cares about dies. He does talk about being with his first girlfriend while she died and I think he will do it in some circumstances, but I also think he would have considered this an event for family only. He would have come when Will was sick, and then he would have gone back to Paris. I don’t think he would have known for sure Tessa was going to come, but he would have known she might.

I think there might be a story, really, in the last time Magnus saw Will, perhaps sat with him through the watches of the night, the last time they talked. 

the-flowers-are-blooming-love said: Hi Cassandra! Like most asks you probably get I wanna say that you are an amazing author and your books really have had an amazing effect on so many people. I have loved reading all your posts about Tessa and Will and Jem, your reasoning to it all makes a lot of sense and is easy to understand. I was just curious to know if Tessa ever felt like she would have to distance herself from one of the boys and just because when you are in that kind of situation it might be painful for Will and Jem.

She did distance herself from Will. Tessa talking about Will:

Months, she thought. Months since they had been alone together for more than a moment. They’d had only accidental encounters in hallways, in the courtyard, awkwardly exchanged pleasantries. She had missed his jokes, the books he had lent her, the flashes of laughter in his gaze.  

and

For months they had avoided each other, had barely spoken.  

All that is on purpose — Tessa is avoiding Will to try to make it easier on him and to make it absolutely clear she isn’t dithering between Jem and Will. She’s made her choice. She’s given Will no encouragement. She believes she has to do this in order to free him to love someone else.

Perhaps it did depend on the book, she thought. But in this, the book of her life, the way of dishonor was only unkindness. Even if she had hurt Will in the drawing room, over time as his feelings for her faded, he would someday thank her for keeping him free. She believed that.” — Clockwork Princess.

Clockwork Princess is the best book I ever read mainly because of the of the way you ended it. It was the saddest and happiest ending ever. So I was wondering is COHF going to have the same kind of ending? — weleylaworld

Well, hopefully, by now, you know! :) I wrote a bit about loss and sadness and genres when I wrote about death in CoHF. While the Clockwork series takes place in the same world as TMI, it’s historical, which has somewhat different genre issues. While you can always write a fun, happy historical, sometimes you feel like you need to grapple with the fact that just about everyone you’re writing about, in today’s world, is dead. I think there’s an elegiac feeling about Clockwork Princess, a sense of a sorrow that is about facing mortality and death. By contrast the loss that is in City of Heavenly Fire is more specific to the people involved in the story and their dangerous situation. 

I hope that makes sense. These are just my thoughts about why I wrote things the way I did; hopefully they’re interesting but if you have a different reading that’s cool too.

Tessa

"Cassie, as a huge fan, I want to thank you for writing such magnificent books. And…. here’s my question! I read your post in which you explain why Tessa’s relationship with Jem was more than friendship and I’m fascinated by the way you explained and pointed out things so as to make clear that they were more than friends. I was wondering if you could do the same with Will&Tessa. All characters show us they’re thoughts and therefore, we can deduce what they’re feeling but I’m sure there’s something you can add, just like you did with Jem and Tessa :) Daniela."

Hi, Daniela! The thing is, I don’t really get questions from people who think Will and Tessa were just friends. The opposite side of the argument (taken to an extreme) seems to be that Tessa and Will only felt lust for each other, not Love.

I think probably obviously that’s not what I was thinking when I wrote it. But shipping has a lot to do with personal preferences about kinds of relationships and kinds of personalities. Do I think Tessa and Will loved each other? Yes: I don’t think you’re willing to give your life for someone you just lust for (Will, Clockwork Prince), nor do you burn your hand with a poker because the emotional pain of someone you just lust for hurts you so much (Tessa, Clockwork Prince.) I think the fact that after Jem left, Tessa and Will didn’t touch each other for months while they dealt with the grief of his going, and sincerely tried to build the foundations of a solid emotional relationship with each other, speaks volumes in itself. And of course a marriage of fifty-odd years, in which one person grew older and one continued to look twenty, in which there was never a failure of passion or commitment, speaks to a deep love indeed.

The problem with the Lust narrative isn’t in thinking that Jem and Tessa have a deeper connection — that’s normal; we all react to fictional relationships in ways that reflect what we prioritize or prefer in life — the problem is that it sometimes winds up in blaming Tessa and slut-shaming her, which I have to admit, does bother me. So, I’ll share with you a brief clip from a post from a professed Jem fan (though God knows I love my Jem fans and would never tar them all with this brush, not even close) about Tessa herself. The link to the post was sent to me by a very upset fan, and I think it’s better if I don’t mention their name or the name of the poster. But here it is. Trigger warnings for rape culture, calling women bitches, misogyny.

Post: “Good lord, I knew she [Tessa] had no fuck to give for Jem, she only wanted to bang Will, but jesus christ, have some empathy, respect… Boys were doing everything for this bitch, got hurt, one finally died for her and because of her, all she could do was demand, put people in trouble and act out and never appreciate neither feel bad, and she did so much bad she was not sorry for, she was so fucking selfish and wanted to get the best out of it for her and all she could do was play them, disrespect them as people, and their lives, and describe their looks whether they were dying or not and care about nothing else but her own good. 

I wish someone bought her [Tessa] a dildo because her hormones obviously made her incapable of sorting out her priorities. And it killed Jem.”

Wow. Just, I mean, WOW.

In other words: Tessa being a woman, specifically a woman capable of sex, killed Jem.

How?

Well, I’m not exactly sure. She didn’t sneak into his room at night and smother him with her thighs. He was dying when Tessa arrived. There was no cure for his illness. There is absolutely nothing Tessa could have done to keep him alive — and remember, she was the one pushing to find a cure, not Will. If it wasn’t for Tessa, Jem would never have chosen Silent Brotherhood, he never would have lived to be Brother Zachariah, he never would have been cured, and he would not be alive and happy today.

Boys were doing everything for this bitch, got hurt, one finally died for her”

I’m seriously curious which one died for Tessa since Will died of old age and Jem’s still alive. In fact, he’s 135 years old. The thing is, Tessa saved Jem’s life. She saved Will’s, too. It takes an enormous effort of deliberate, willfull misogyny to miss that.

POST: “ all she could do was demand, put people in trouble and act out and never appreciate neither feel bad”

 From the books:

“I’m sorry,” Tessa said. She couldn’t count the number of times she’d told him she was sorry over the past hours. (Clockwork Princess)

“You saved my life at the tea warehouse, and I am grateful, Will.” (Clockwork Prince.)

“Oh, Will. This is all my fault. Jem threw away his life for me. If he had taken the drug more sparingly—if he had allowed himself to rest and be ill instead of pretending good health for my sake—”  (Clockwork Princess)

She shook her head. “How can you bear to have me near you?” she said in despair. “I took your parabatai from you. And now we will both die here. Because of me.” (Clockwork Princess)

Tessa, actually, often feels bad for things that are not her fault: so do Will and Jem, but when they do it, it’s because they are poor sweet babies, when Tessa does it, it’s because — yeah! It IS her fault! You can’t win for losing when you’re a lady. Of course Jem taking all his yin fen at once isn’t her fault: she didn’t even know about it. Obviously Tessa feels bad often, is eaten up with guilt often, but unfortunately no woman can ever feel bad enough about herself to be satisfactory. Society as a whole tells women they must hate themselves and each other, and this sort of thing is the result.

Thinking Tessa killed Jem with her lady parts as opposed to what she actually did do, which is save and prolong his life, requires an absolute dedication to misogyny and the belief that women are significant and important only in how they treat the men in the story. If they make them happy constantly, the women are okay. If they ever seem to be making them unhappy, if a man ever does anything stupid or life-threatening because of a woman even if she doesn’t know about it, if he’s unhappy even if she couldn’t prevent it, if she sleeps with someone else even though she thought he was dead and he couldn’t give less of a damn anyway, if she doesn’t prioritize the imaginary pain of a dead man over what she needs for her own survival and mental health, she’s a bitch who needs to die. If she observes with surprise and no lust that a man is naked because she’s a Victorian girl and she’s shocked to be in the same room with a naked man, she’s a whore. And if she wants to have a consensual pleasant sexual experience before a lifetime of being raped (by the actual villain of the books — his name is Mortmain, by the way, and he’s the one who actually makes everyone unhappy) she’s not just a whore, she’s a murdering whore.

It’s the mentality at the heart of rape culture: that women are vending machines, and if you shove a few coins of attention or affection into them, they better respond with sex and obedience or they’re … broken.

Ship wars brew easily and it’s easy to get into the “If Jessa gets a thing, Wessa gets a thing” mentality. I decided to go a different way and present you with something I think both Wessa and Jessa and even Heronstairs shippers can agree on: this kind of thinking? Is revolting.
Jessamine.

haepenguin said: A couple months ago you said that if we squinted we would see Jessamine in CoHF. I was wondering what you meant by that (now that the book has been out for a while)?

Spoilers under the cut …but it’s on my page 196.

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CLOCKWORK PRINCESS SPOILERS

"Well, you’ve heard this a lot but.. I LOVE your books! Your stories have changed my way of feeling things, every character (even the villains) made me see a little of me. Your mind is brilliant and I love you for sharing it with the world! I have a question for you. I’m a BIG fan of Tessa, Will and Jem. I wonder what year and how long Tess and Jem were together. If City of Bones is going in 2007, they got together in the 90s or in 2000? Because we see Brother Zachariah, so.. That’s it! Sorry for my bad english. Can’t wait to see you in Brazil! Much love <3 — hiclickhere

Well, the Clockwork Princess epilogue is dated in the book. 2008. So we know that that’s when Tessa and Jem got together, because we see it.

I’m pasting in the timeline for the series below, because the question of where the Clockwork Princess epilogue fits in is a popular one! There is no answer to how long Tessa and Jem “were together” because — they only just got together, so recently that they are not together as of City of Lost Souls or the beginning of City of Heavenly Fire. 

Timeline:

cassandraclare:

I had to redact a bunch of this ask’s spoilery bits but I think I managed — in essence, I’ve gotten a lot of asks about where the epilogue of Clockwork Princess fits into the timeline of TMI.

Here’s the basic timeline of the TMI books:

CoB: takes place in August 2007, the year the book was published.

CoA: begins in very early September 2007-  a few days to a week after CoB ends. 

CoG: begins in September, about 1 week after CoA ends. The whole book takes place in 1.5-2 weeks. It is mentioned that the leaves on trees are beginning to turn fall colors.

CoFA: begins in Mid-October (Halloween decorations are up, Simon mentions the month) and ends around the third or fourth week of October. In CoFA, it is also mentioned that Clary has been training to fight demons for 7 weeks.

CoLS: The prologue is set in late October. The first chapter begins two weeks later, in the 2nd week of November.

October had 5 weeks in 2007. Here’s a link to a 2007 calendar:

http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?country=1&year=2007

The Clockwork Princess prologue takes place in 2008.

We don’t know when in 2008, but we do know enough to know it takes place after the events of City of Lost Souls. It is either during or after the events of City of Heavenly Fire

As for Bro Z, he appears in City of Fallen Angels and City of Lost Souls. It is explained in City of Fallen Angels that he was among the few Silent Brothers who was not in the Silent City when Valentine attacked, and therefore survived.

So yes, basically, the epilogue of Clockwork Princess takes place in the future of the characters in City of Lost Souls. You can search it for clues about Heavenly Fire if you want. :)

"You’re not Will"

Hi, Cassie! So, it has been more than a year since the release of CP2 and I still didn’t get over it. I feel both happy and depressed when I think about this series. And I know that we will still see the characters in TLH, but it will not be the same, because it will be in their children points of view. So, I was wondering… you have written many extra scenes for TMI, and scenes from different characters POVs (like Jace’s, when it was Clary’s POV in the book). Are you planning on sharing with us any more scenes like that from TID? I wouldn’t mind at all a POV of Jem’s, specially that scene from the CP2 epilogue ♥ Thank you so much, and I’m super excited for CoHF and your coming to Brazil! — fairchild-gray-fray

I’ve never written the scene on the bridge from Jem’s point of view because Jem knows way too much about what happens in City of Heavenly Fire. It would, bizarrely, be spoilery for TMI. So maybe TMI is done; we’ll see. 

If you want to read Jem’s POV on the bedroom scene with Tessa in Clockwork Prince, though, I wrote that. It’s called An Offering of Moonlight. I’ll paste it in, though many of you may have read it before — it’s not new. Under the cut, from the chapter “Fierce Midnight” in CP. There’s also “Burning Bright" which is Jem’s perspective on meeting Tessa for the first time.*

*And now  I noticed the first thing Jem ever says to Tessa is “You’re not Will.” Huh.

** Ooh, Cassandra Jean gave me a Jessa scrap the other day. Now I get to use my scrap!

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What ifs

tw: suicide

What would have happened to Jem and Will if Tessa had never come into their lives? —(composited question)

Jem would have died from the yin fen. Will would have committed suicide, ending the Herondale line.

Tessa's like such a rebel though
Everyone: Demons and shadowhunters can't have chidren!
Tessa: sorry
Everyone: Girls shouldn't have sex before they're married!
Tessa: oh no
Everyone: Shadowhunters can't marry downworlders!
Tessa: my bad
Everyone: Warlocks can't have children!
Tessa: oops
Everyone: You can't end up with both of them!
Tessa: watch me
Jem/Tid questions

 

Hello! I absolutely love your books. I doubt you’ll see this or read it but if by any chance you do I would like to ask you a question. I recently seen the drawing of Tessa and Will introducing their son James to Jem and Jem appears to be crying? If so are these tears of joy or sadness? In of the Bane Chronicle books Magnus meets James and there is a scene where Magnus is at the institute Tessa and Will are running. When Jem comes into the scene James calls Jem Uncle Jem. I’m aware that they brought James up to think of Jem as an uncle but how does Jem feel about all this? Im sorry if im asking questions that cannot be answered but curiosity is killing me. :) — tiffany-tmi-tid

Well, I can only tell you what I think. I think Jem was crying out of a mixture of joy and sadness. Joy because he’s happy for Will and Tessa — obviously they’re thrilled to have a baby. (Not that you have to have kids to be happy, but they wanted them, so.) And he’s incredibly touched that they named the baby after him. (Jem=short for James.) So is crying because of that.

I am sure there is some part of Jem that is sad because he is cut off from the cycles of life: from birth, death, marriages, engagements, friendships, small human gestures and larger ones. I think he is not despairing. I think Jem is patient and believes in a better future, however long it may take that future to come. Brother Zachariah talks a little in City of Heavenly Fire about what it’s like to be a Silent Brother and how they don’t quite feel things like human beings do.

I do think Midnight Heir gives some insight in the manner in which Will and Tessa keep that part of Brother Zachariah that is Jem something to be anchored to, and Last Hours will give more. But I also think it’s okay for stories to have some open parts in which you’re free to intuit what you think. How do you think Jem feels? The fondness he has for Will and Tessa, and they for him, and the happiness they all bring each other; even the fondness he has for his “niece and nephew”, Lucie and James, is there in Midnight Heir: it’s not from his point of view, but that doesn’t mean you can’t read into Magnus’ observations of him to suss out his feelings. 

This may seem like an odd question, but quite a few of my friends and I on tumblr were wondering what Jem and Tessa’s relationship was like during the couple months before CP2 began (like during that blank space between CP and CP2). A lot of us like to imagine what they are like in modern day (something I hope to see!) but we never really got to know too much about their relationship during the majority of their engagement. Strange question, I know, and you don’t have to answer! Some of us were just very curious :) — mrscarstairs

I would say that just like in Midnight Heir you can do some interpreting of Jem’s feelings through Magnus’ observations of him, you can do some back-engineering of Jem and Tessa’s relationship between CP and CP2 by the things we know about them in CP2.

We know they are happy with each other, but that both of them also have things that are making them unhappy — the threat of Mortmain hangs over them both: Tessa carries the burden of knowing about Will’s feelings, and Jem carries the burden of knowing he’s dying faster than he’s letting on.

We know Tessa is learning Mandarin for Jem, which is a pretty strong sign of commitment, learning a language for someone when they don’t even require it. We know Jem is writing music for Tessa. We know they don’t fight, since the fight they have in CP2 is their first.

I think I get a lot of these questions about Jem because there’s a sense that since we rarely get his POV we don’t know what goes on in his head. But we do know a lot! We know characters through their actions and their dialogue as much as we ever know them from seeing their thoughts (think how well we know Gatsby, when we never get his thoughts at all and he’s not the POV narrator.) For instance, Jem on how his interactions with Tessa between CP and CP2 have been informed by his determination that she not know the truth about his health:

In the beginning, when I first realized I loved Tessa, I did think that perhaps love was making me well. I had not had an attack in so long. And when I asked her to marry me, I told her that. That love was healing me. So the first time I was—the first time it happened again, after that, I could not bear to tell her, lest she think it meant a lessening of my love for her. I took more of the drug, to fend off another illness. Already by that time it was taking more of the drug to simply keep me on my feet than it used to take to keep me going for a week. I don’t have years, Will. I might not even have months. And I don’t want Tessa to know. Please don’t tell her

Kind of like we know exactly how Jem feels about Will taking drugs in CP, despite not being in his head, from his punching Will and subsequent speechifying. :)

One note about engagements in the Victorian era: Jem and Tessa would not have been given free reign to do a lot of physical stuff with each other. They could hold hands, take walks together, maybe kiss. They would be separated at nightfall and certainly no visiting of each other’s bedrooms would be all right (though Shadowhunters are always popping in and out of each other’s bedrooms, but J&T would be more watched after the engagement, not less.) This is why their making out in the music room in CP2 is a big deal and results in Jem being like “We must be married RIGHT NOW.”

Otherwise, there are certainly open spaces in between CP and CP2 in which one might imagine how Jem and Tessa’s specific interactions might have gone — but that’s okay! Sometimes it is fun to have space to let your imagination roam.

The Last Hours

Cassandra..if we are expecting something steamy from jace and Clary in CoHF… will we be expecting something from Will and Tessa in TLH as well? — mundanedoppleganger

Oh, perverts. You are my people. Certainly a lot of weird things happen in the Shadowhunter world that lend themselves to pervy thoughts. Kind of like on Teen Wolf, which I have just finished catching up on.

My husband: What’s going on on Teen Wolf?

Me: A magical vet has stolen poisonous moss from a mob boss with a lethargic wolf and is planning on using it to expel demons from teenagers! Also evil firefly ninjas have attacked a werewolf while he was handing out candy to schoolchildren.

My husband: Did you ever think you’d say those words?

Me: Maybe not in that order.

ANYWAY. I would not be expecting anything steamy from Will and Tessa in TLH because 1) that already happened in Clockwork Princess and 2) the books are told from their children’s point of view so they would be watching, and the thought creeps me out so much it makes my head want to fall off and roll around.

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Will and Tessa have a very happy marriage, and that’s pretty much what I want to say about that.

Besides, I am pretty sure that once you actually get into the Last Hours, it is not Will and Tessa you will be asking me for steamy scenes from. I promise! :)

Magnus/Tessa ?

Hey Cassie! I love your books!!! Well, I was looking at the family tree of Clockwork Princess and I realized something strange: why did all Sophie’s kids die before her? Is this going to be explained in TLH? Poor Sophie… =( Kisses and thank you!! — my-prince-of-the-ocean

Remember that not everything about the family tree is accurate - it’s meant to be a found object, something made by a person, so the person who made it could have made mistakes/been concealing things on purpose. Maybe one of Sophie’s kids married a mundane, or turned into a vampire, or an Iron Sister, and the person who recorded the family tree politely left that info off.

Hi Cassie! I’m super excited for TLH ( I know, I know, it’s a long wait)!! I was looking at all the posts about it, and I thought about something. According to shadowhunter’s wiki and the family tree, Lucie Herondale (can’t wait to hear more about her and her brother!) was born in 1891, which means she’d be about 12 in TLH. Isn’t Jesse like 12 years older than her? Also, will Gabriel an Cecily appear in TLH? Or other characters from TID? — alix-gryffindor-rules-potter

Yes, according to the family tree Jesse is way older than Lucie. Of course he’s also dead according to Midnight Heir. You’re just going to have to trust that the weird stuff with time and dates in the family tree is meant to represent deliberate mysteries that are also mysteries for the characters!

Gabriel, Cecily, Will, Tessa, Jem, they all appear in TiD. They’re part of their children’s lives — think of them as occupying the places that Maryse, Luke, Robert and Jocelyn occupy in TMI.

"I love your books! Just curious, when Magnus and Tessa where living together where they ever “friends with benefits?” — annaloli"

Hee hee heeeeee. Hee hee.

No, in my mind they’ve never been anything but platonic friends.